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• Benedict "deeply sorry" for Muslim outrage but violence continues.  Italy flag; www.edwardmooney.com/miniflags   Vatican City / Papal flag; www.edwardmooney.com/miniflags   Somalia flag; www.edwardmooney.com/miniflags 

Benedict “deeply sorry” for Muslim outrage but violence continues

 
   CathNews (from Church Resources, Australia), www.cathnews. com/news/701/ 17.php , September 18, 2006 (re-issued January 04, 2007)
   This week CathNews presents the top stories from 2006.  This story was originally published on 18 September.
   ITALY -- Pope Benedict [Ratzinger] told pilgrims yesterday that he is "deeply sorry" for the reaction to his quoted remarks of a medieval ruler who criticised Islam but violence continues with the killing of an Italian nun in Somalia and the firebombing of several churches in the Middle East.
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   "I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensberg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims," the Pope told pilgrims yesterday at his Castelgandolfo summer residence, according to a Reuters report.
   "These, in fact, were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought," the Pontiff said.
   "I hope this serves to appease hearts and to clarify the meaning of my address, which in its totality was and is an invitation to frank and sincere dialogue, with mutual respect."
   The comments, part of his regular Sunday Angelus blessing, came at his first public appearance since making the comments on Tuesday.
   New Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, had earlier announced on Saturday that the Pope was sorry Muslims had been offended and that his comments had been misconstrued.  […]
   …, former Iranian President Khatami and current Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Susilo endeavoured to calm the situation, warning against jumping to conclusions about the meaning of the Pope's remarks in which he quoted criticism of Muhammad by 14th century Byzantine emperor Manuel II Palaeologus.
   The emperor had said everything Muhammad brought was evil "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached". […]
   On Friday, a prominent hardline Mogadishu cleric called for Muslims to "hunt down" and kill the Pontiff for his remarks.
   "Whoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim," Sheikh Abubukar Hassan Malin told worshippers at a mosque in southern Mogadishu.
   "We call on all Islamic communities across the world to take revenge on the baseless critic called the Pope," he said, according to a Swissinfo report. […]   4 Jan 2007
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   [RECAPITULATION: The emperor had said everything Muhammad brought was evil "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached". […] On Friday, …  "Whoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim," Sheikh Abubukar Hassan Malin told worshippers at a mosque in southern Mogadishu.  ENDS.]
   [MORE FACTS: As well as the Catholic nun, a Syrian Orthodox priest was beheaded also.  See newsitem dated October 19, 2006 -- Fr Amer Iskender was kidnapped on October 9, a ransom was demanded, and his decapitated body was found some days later. ENDS.]
   [2nd RECAPITULATION: "These, in fact, were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought," the Pontiff said. ENDS.]
   [COMMENT: Come on!  If they did not express the Pope's thought, why quote them?  The fact that people poured out of "places of worship" fired up to attack Christians of all sorts, shouting that they and the Pope ought to be killed, has proved the point that the mediaeval Emperor, AND THE CURRENT POPE, were both making.
   Apologies, as in this case, usually encourage the violent to step up the pressure on non-Muslims.  The jihadists have nothing to lose if each increase in violence is met with soft words.  COMMENT ENDS.]
   [3rd RECAPITULATION: "Whoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim," Sheikh Abubukar Hassan Malin told worshippers at a mosque in southern Mogadishu. ENDS.]
   [2nd COMMENT: To be killed by the nearest Muslim does NOT sound like a good start to the naive Benedict XVI's invitation to dialolgue!  So, who whispered in the ears of the Western leaders after the September 11 attack on the U.S.A. that "Islam" means "peace," when every sensible scholar knows it means "submission"?  And why has history, as a string of dates and facts, been removed from school courses gradually over the past 50 years?  "An inconvenient truth," indeed, if the Muslim invasions, slave-taking, pillage, and rape had all been taught to Westerners!  AND to others! ENDS.]
   [KORAN DOCTRINE: 9:5:- So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
   9:73:- O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.  www.usc.edu/ dept/MSA/ quran/009. qmt.html #009.073 . KORAN ENDS.] [See the fuller version of the newsitem in date order, Sep 18, 06] [Jan 4, 2007]
• Where she counts for little at all.  Saudi Arabia flag; www.edwardmooney.com/miniflags/  Sudan / Soudan flag; www.edwardmooney.com/miniflags 

Where she counts for little at all


   The Record (R.C. Perth W.  Australia weekly), by Paul Gray, Vista page 4, Thursday, January 4, 2007
   Much more depends on the plight of women in Arab Muslim societies than most might imagine, writes The Record's national affairs editor, PAUL GRAY.
“Dogs and cats in the developed world have more rights than Arab women do in their own countries." So says the Saudi Arabian women's rights activist and journalist, Wajeha Al-Huwaider.
   Al-Huwaider was twice arrested and detained by Saudi Arabian police, in August and September 2006.  She was instructed to cease and desist from all writing and activism concerned with the status of women in the Arab-Muslim world.
   In a recent English translation of Al-Huwaider's writings, the Middle East Media Research Institute drew attention to the abysmal status of women in the Arab world.
   The heart of the problem is that women are not protected by law in Arab countries, Al-Huwaider says.  "Legislation in the Arab countries overtly discriminates against women, overtly oppresses their rights, and harms them as human beings.
   They are still treated as though they contaminate purity and arouse temptation and immorality.
   "The unresolved problems of women are not religious, but purely legal," Al-Huwaider says.  "Legislation that takes away the rights of the woman as a citizen must be replaced by legislation guaranteeing her full rights.
   "All the Arab regimes are UN members, and have ratified the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which clearly decrees justice, equal rights and equal obligations for all citizens.  Nevertheless, in our chauvinistic country" - here she refers to Saudi Arabia - "the woman is still considered the property of her family."
   Last May, Al-Huwaider wrote an article comparing the conditions of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba with the conditions for women living in the Arab-Muslim world.
   Guantanamo Bay, though a "terrible inhuman prison" according to Al-Huwaider, is a better place than the home in the Arab-Muslim world, from a woman's point of view.
   "In some Arab countries a woman is a prisoner in her [own] home, and can only move with permission of her guardian, or, more accurately, her jailor.
   "Second, in some Arab countries the woman's guardian is her owner, and the one who has the legal right to use her.  He controls all her affairs, great and small.  His role is very similar to that of a jailor at Guantanamo.
   "Third, a prisoner at Guantanamo, like many Arab women, is not the master of his own body.  He has no power to control his own fate and his personal freedom has been taken away, along with his right to protest his situation.
   "Fourth, the prisoners in Guantanamo are not protected by law, and their lives are the property of their jailors, just as the lives of the Arab women are in the hands of their guardians.  When a guardian feels that his wife has crossed a red line, she is doomed to die a terrible death."
  [Picture] Femininity under Islam? Nigerian Amina Lawal waits in an Islamic courtroom in Katsina in northern Nigeria in 2003.  She was appealing her sentence of death by stoning under the shariah - or Islamic law - for having a child out of wedlock.  Her case caused international outrage, while shariah's imposition sparked riots when it was extended from civil law to criminal law in 12 northern Nigerian states in 2000.  Thousands died in violence between Christians from southern ethnic groups and Muslims in the North.     PHOTO: CNS / REUTERS  
   One point in which Guantanamo Bay prisoners are better off than Arab women is in clothing, Al-Huwaider suggests. While Guantanamo Bay prisoners wear practical, light coloured clothing suitable for the climate, Arab women "are forced to wear impractical and suffocating garments in colours that do not suit the scorching climate of our region."
   The brutal messages contained in the writings of Al-Huwaider are reinforced by the recently published UN Arab Human Development Report.  The report points out that half of women in the Arab world are illiterate, and in all but four Arab countries fewer than 80 per cent of girls go to secondary school.  The report also shows that the maternal mortality rate in Arab countries is about 270 per 100 000 live births, which is a rate almost twenty times higher than in the USA.
   Women are not allowed to vote in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.  Female workforce participation is only 33 per cent.  The home in the Arab-Muslim world is described in the report as a place where "any type of violence against women may be practiced".
   The details of violence practiced against women in the Arab-Muslim world are well known and sometimes too grisly to put in print.
   Commenting on the UN report last week, journalist Janet Albrechtsen said in The Australian that what is needed is "nothing short of a Martin Luther-style reformation for Islam".
   At a time of year when Christians remember the unique missionary role of Mary, the mother of Jesus - a woman from the same region of the world where women now are so visibly oppressed - it is timely to remember the sufferings and status of Arab-Muslim women today.
   It may be considered fanciful to believe it possible to improve the living conditions of women in Arab-Muslim countries.  Certainly the obstacles in the path of such a development are enormous.
  “Dogs and cats in the developed world have more rights than Arab women do in their own countries.” So says the Saudi women’s rights activist and journalist Wajeha Al-Huwaider.   
   These obstacles include not only the customary conservatism of the Arab-Muslim world, but also the significant absence of freedoms, including a free media in which such ideas can be discussed.
   Nevertheless, throughout history a great deal of human progress has been achieved in the face of seemingly insurmountable difficulties.  From the perspective of Christianity, with its emphasis on the never to be neglected role of divine grace, the possibility of improvement in the living conditions of Muslim women can always be prayed for, at least, if not actually brought into existence.
   One of the central messages in Rodney Stark's classic book, A History of Christianity, bears this out.  Stark demonstrates the essential role played by women in bringing about the transformation of the ancient pagan world.  In many early Christian communities, women outnumbered men by as many as twenty to one.  Women both carried and planted the seeds of Christianity throughout the pagan Mediterranean in the centuries before the Emperor Constantine.
   It is Stark's thesis that pagan Rome adopted Christianity because of these women-led missionary endeavours, and that the fabled conversion of Constantine himself, presented as a miraculous and sudden event in many early devotional traditions, was more of a symptom than a cause of the Roman Empire's adoption of Christianity.
   This process, it should be remembered, took centuries.  The transformation of the Arab-Muslim world likewise cannot be expected to occur overnight.
   What seems certain is that when and if such a transformation occurs, it will occur largely through the agency of women.  The securing of women's basic human rights is certain to have revolutionary effects throughout Islamic society.  This is a matter which should be of vital interest to the West.
   In the course of the first four years after September 11, 2001, it has become increasingly clear that the greatest part of the struggle against totalitarianism arising from within the Arab-Muslim world will be political and civil rather than military.
   The building of political alliances with moderate forces in Arab-Muslim countries is essential.  So too is any practical assistance which can be offered towards the development of a prosperous middle class whose vital interest is in the safe and peaceful business of trade, rather than the anger and violence of war.
   Another vital strategy for the West is to support women in the Arab-Muslim world - not least through the avenue of drawing attention to their situation and their needs.
   For the UN Arab Human Development Report, visit http://rbas. undp.org/ ahdr2005. shtml
   [COMMENT: Would another Martin Luther be able to reform a sect with scriptures and traditions like the following? Paul Gray, at last, seems to be facing some of the facts of Islam's expansions leading to domination, and reversal of human progress, but has a "clerical" type mindset, thus refusing to admit that the old texts are bad.
   Al-Huwaider also seems to be overlooking the disdain which the founder had for women.  They are unclean, and her evidence is worth half a man's -- if not Muslim, their evidence is worth nothing. 
   But Al-Huwaider's article has provided another excellent much-needed reminder of the Bush-Blair-Howard regime's inhumane illegal treatment of the civilians and prisoners-of-war at Guantanamo Bay (and, presumably, at the other illegal prisons run by the U.S.  around the world, and maybe by the U.K. too). COMMENT ENDS.]
   [DOCTRINE - Koran: 4:34 (or 38):- Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which Allah hath gifted the one above the other, and on account of the outlay they make from their substance for them.  Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during the husband's absence, because Allah hath of them been careful.  But chide those for whose refractoriness ye have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and scourge them; but if they are obedient to you, then seek not occasion against them: verily, Allah is High, Great.  www.usc.edu/ dept/MSA/ quran/004. qmt.html #004.034 . DOCTRINE ENDS.]
   [TRADITIONS - HADITH: 3, 17:4206 ff (Muslim's collection):- There came to him a woman …  and said: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me.  He turned her away.  …  go away until you give birth …  wean him …  He entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and …  she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. …  he prayed over her and she was buried. ENDS.]
   [OLD TESTAMENT: Perhaps the Christians ought to read the strictures against non-Jews, and the orders to kill them, in the first seven books of the Old Testament, instead of having a woolly optimism that the current fad for mixing faiths is the same as people JOINING the New Testament groups, "all one in Christ Jesus." ENDS.] [Jan 04, 07]
• Terror link in rocket launcher arrest.  Australia flag; Australian National Flag Association 

Terror link in rocket launcher arrest


   The Australian website, www.the australian. news.com. au/story/ 0,20867, 21014593- 601,00.html , AAP, Friday, January 05, 2007
   AUSTRALIA: A 28-YEAR-OLD Sydney man is facing 17 charges arising from an investigation into seven stolen rocket launchers.
   A joint operation by Australian Federal Police, New South Wales Police and ASIO led officers today to a house in Leumeah, in Sydney's southwest, where the 28-year-old man was arrested.
   AFP Assistant Commissioner Frank Prendergast, who is the AFP's counter terrorism national manager, said the 28-year-old man supplied two rocket launchers to one man, and five of the weapons to another man.
   "The person who received five is facing terrorism charges on another matter," Asst Commissioner Prendergast said.  "It is a matter of great importance to us to recover the six outstanding weapons."
   The charged man is believed to be one link in a "chain of supply", Asst Commissioner Kaldas said.
   Late last year, police were investigating claims that a number of anti-tank rockets had been stolen by Australian soldiers and sold on the black market to criminal gangs or even terrorist groups.
   On September 30 last year, police recovered one of the rocket launchers, believed to be the property of the Australian Defence Force.  The man has been charged with two counts of dishonestly receiving stolen property, seven counts of unauthorised possession of a prohibited weapon, and seven counts of unauthorised supply of a prohibited weapon.  He has also been charged with possession of ammunition.
   The 28-year-old man was due to face Sydney's Central Local Court today.  Details on the make of the missiles were unclear, but a number of reports suggested they were 66mm rocket launchers - a light, one shot, weapon designed to be fired from the shoulder by infantry.
   The weapon was designed by the US Army during the Cold War and packs enough punch to destroy a tank.
   NSW counter-terrorism police and Middle Eastern Crime Squad were thought to be looking for eight rockets said to have gone missing from army stocks some years ago.
   Defence Minister Brendan Nelson said the Defence Department was conducting a forensic audit of its rocket stocks and introduce radical measures to secure existing weapons.
   The investigation was to be spearheaded by the secretive Defence Security Authority, with assistance from the defence department's inspector-general.
   A second, wider security investigation examining all security aspects of the policies and practices that apply to the management of weapons, munitions and explosives across defence was set to be completed in the first half of this year.
   In a separate incident late last year, a 53-year-old sergeant from Victoria's Puckapunyal base was charged with the theft of army equipment, with police said to have removed "truckloads" of weapons and ordnance from his home.
   Earlier today, Chief of the Army, Lieutenant General Peter Leahy said the Defence Department was investigating claims that former soldiers may have sold anti-tank rockets on the black market to criminals or even terrorists.
   He told reporters in Canberra that the department was conducting an audit of all such weapons in its armories around the country.
   "We've done a fair bit of work to do a stocktake of our own and the defence force announced before Christmas that we are imposing extra restrictions on their use to make sure they are used only for operational purposes," he said.
   "I think that we've taken quite stringent steps to make sure that we have control over the weapons in our control and I think beyond that we should listen to what the Civil and other authorities are doing to investigate."
   Australian Federal Police will hold a press conference this afternoon in Sydney. - AAP
   [COMMENT: "Terror link" is in the heading, but time will tell. ENDS.] [Jan 5, 07]
• Dad in Lebanese custody case willing to drop charges: lawyer.       

Dad in Lebanese custody case willing to drop charges: lawyer

   Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC News), www.cbc.ca/ world/story/ 2007/01/10/ lebanon- custody. html , Last Updated 1:43 PM ET | Wednesday, January 10, 2007
   CANADA – The Lebanese-Australian man who took his Canadian children to Lebanon despite not having custody of them won't pursue charges against his estranged wife for grabbing them back if she agrees to hand the kids over, his lawyer says.
   Canadian Melissa Hawach, a Calgary resident who is originally from Saskatchewan, recovered her children a few days before Christmas. She travelled to Lebanon and enlisted the help of several ex-soldiers to grab her two girls in a daring operation at a seaside resort where they were staying with their father, Joseph Hawach.
  [Picture] Cedar Lourdes Hawach.  (Interpol)  
   Ever since, Melissa Hawach and her father, Jim Engdahl, have been in hiding with the children: Hanna, 6, and Cedar, 3.
   Under Canadian law, Melissa Hawach has custody of the children. However, she is now wanted in Lebanon and could face charges of child abduction.
   "We are ready to drop all the cases against her, and everyone involved with her, if the children are returned," Tony Tebchrany, the father's lawyer, told Nahlah Ayed of CBC News during an interview in his office in Jdeideh.
  [Picture] Hanna Anne Hawach.   (Interpol)  
   Two of the men who helped Melissa Hawach, an Australian and a New Zealander, are in a Lebanon jail awaiting trial for their role in the affair after being arrested at Beirut's Rafik Hariri International Airport.
   Brian Corrigan and David Pemberton are accused of being paid mercenaries acting on Melissa Hawach's behalf. The men have said that they were simply helping out, and that they received no money for their assistance.
   Tebchrany's comments came following an in-camera hearing in Lebanon Wednesday to determine what if any charges should be brought against Melissa Hawach. The case could go to trial as early as next week – with or without the mother's presence.
  [Picture] Joseph Hawach.   (Interpol)  
   Tebchrany said details of Wednesday's proceedings are secret and cannot be publicly discussed. But he said Melissa Hawach, whom he believes is still in Lebanon, is in a tenuous position.
   "There are legal channels in Lebanon. But to hire a gang – even if she was in the right – she's lost that right," he said.
   "There's no doubt she's in trouble."
   Interpol seeking father, who faces extradition
   Joseph Hawach, who is believed to be in hiding in Lebanon, is not willing to speak publicly about the case. Interpol has circulated a warrant for his arrest and extradition to Canada.
   He is wanted in Canada over allegations that he removed the children from their mother's care unlawfully.  Hawach first took them to Australia on vacation last summer, with his estranged wife's permission, but then travelled with them to Lebanon without her consent.
   Under Lebanese law, a father automatically has the right to custody of his children in the case of a dispute, unless the mother can prove that he isn't fit to have it.
   Joseph Hawach also obtained a Lebanese court order that gave him custody of the children.
   Therefore, he has committed no crime, no matter what Canadian law says, Tebchrany said.
   Helpers' story discounted by lawyer
   In the interview with CBC News, Tebchrany also cast doubt on the assertions of the two men currently in jail, including their insistence that they conducted the operation for free.
   He said he has been told that Corrigan and Pemberton were well-equipped, carrying satellite phones and other surveillance equipment. He also alleged that they had a videotape in which Melissa Hawach tells her daughters not to be afraid of the men, because they were bringing them to her.
   This week, the lawyer acting for Corrigan and Pemberton, Mohammed Khalil, called their participation in the affair a humanitarian act.
   The men are facing a minimum of three years in prison with hard labour, since the alleged kidnapping involved minors.
   Tebchrany also accused the Canadian Embassy in Lebanon of being unco-operative in the investigation.
   "We have many indications that lead us to believe that the embassy may be aware of the whereabouts [of the mother and children]," he said.
   Foreign Affairs spokesman Rodney Moore said he couldn't comment on the accusations against the embassy, because the case is before the courts.
   The ministry has only said so far that it's still providing consular assistance to Melissa Hawach, and that it has asked the local authorities to help in ensuring the children return to their legal guardians. #
http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/submit/subchron6.htm#dad_in_lebanese
   [RECAPITULATION: Under Lebanese law, a father automatically has the right to custody of his children in the case of a dispute, unless the mother can prove that he isn't fit to have it. ENDS.]
   [COMMENT: It isn't just Lebanese law that the father has custody -- it is the cultural law of the Arabs and Muslims.  Why don't the Westerners learn some factual truthful Comparative Religion and "Multicultural Contrasts" in their schools and universities?  And read the footnotes and books that say the whole world is to be won for Islam, willingly or by compulsion.  Kidnapping children and raising them as Muslim soldiers (Janissaries) was done for centuries by the Turkish Sultans. COMMENT ENDS.]
   [KORAN: 3:83 (or 3:77):- Are they seeking a religion other than Allah's, when every soul in the heavens and the earth has submitted to Him, willingly or by compulsion? … < www.submission. org/suras/ sura3.html #83 > DOCTRINE ENDS.]
   [LOOK FORWARD: Mrs Melissa Hawach's book about her violent marriage, the kidnap, and the rescue, Flight of the Dragonfly is due out on Wednesday, March 26, 2008, HarperCollins Publishers, according to a March 23, 2008 newsitem. Aus. $35. ENDS.]
   [ACKNOWLEDGEMENT: The Sunday Times Magazine, then Metacrawler. ENDS.] [Jan 10, 07]
• Controversial mufti attacks Australia in TV interview  Egypt flag; Mooney's MiniFlags  Australia flag; www.flagaustnat.asn.au/ 

Controversial mufti attacks Australia in TV interview

 
   The Age (Melbourne, Australia), www.theage.  com.au/news/ national/ controversial- mufti-attacks- australia/ 2007/01/11/ 1168105 116655.html , by Barney Zwartz, January 12, 2007
   EGYPT: CONTROVERSIAL Muslim leader Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali has savaged Australia in an interview on Egyptian television, claiming there is no freedom or democracy for Muslims and that English people are the most unjust and dishonest. 
   The Mufti of Australia said Muslims were more Australian than Anglo-Saxons because they came here voluntarily, that Australians played the "fear card" to keep Muslims down, and that racial prejudice was the reason for the 55-year sentence given to gang rapist Bilal Skaf. 
   "Anglo-Saxons came to Australia in chains, while we (Muslims) paid our way and came in freedom.  We are more Australian than them. Australia is not an Anglo-Saxon country -- Islam has deep roots in Australian soil that were there before the English arrived," Sheikh Hilali said. 
   Australia's most controversial cleric was talking on the Egyptian news program Cairo Today, shown in Australia on the Orbit satellite network on Tuesday morning. 
   The interview, in Arabic, was about the furore he created last year with a Ramadan sermon in which he compared scantily clad women with "uncovered meat", suggesting that they were responsible for rape, called women Satan's messengers to deceive men, and said thieves often stole because they were pressured by greedy women. 
   After the "uncovered meat" sermon, which was rejected by Muslims across Australia, Sheikh Hilali offered to stand down as mufti if an independent panel -- he first suggested the federal Sex Discrimination Commissioner -- found he had blamed women for rape.  His future will be decided next month by the eight-man executive of a new national board of imams.  Sheikh Hilali is a member of the executive. 
   During the half-hour program, Sheikh Hilali said the controversy showed how standards were skewed and claims were fabricated.  "There is no freedom and no democracy (for Muslims) -- the most dishonest and unjust people are Western people and the English in particular."
   He said Australian law allowed freedoms that at times were "close to madness", that Australia had a third gender of "in-between people who are not male or female" and that Christian churches allowed people of the same sex to marry. 
  [Picture] Hilali: no freedom for Muslims.      Photo: AP  
   He also cited the Exclusive Brethren, saying they forbade TV, radio, mobile phones and mixed schooling but Prime Minister John Howard said that was their right and they were entitled to funding and social services. 
   He said the cause of the controversy over the Ramadan sermon was domestic politics.  "As we would say in Egypt, they play the fear card to keep the Muslim community down, and they start with me because I am known in that community."
   He insisted that he was not justifying rape and had been taken out of context. 
   Presenter Amr Adib asked who was responsible for rape, and Sheikh Hilali replied that the man was responsible but the woman also had a responsibility for her behaviour. 
   Fellow guest Sheikh Khalid al-Jindi, a regular commentator, interjected: "Is it the flies' fault if the food is on display? If you put petrol and then add a spark, won't the street be on fire?"
   Adib: "But where is the responsibility?"
   Sheikh Jindi: "The responsibility is first, second and third with the woman -- then with the man."
   Sheikh Jindi said they were not justifying anything, just trying to establish degrees of responsibility.  Sheikh Hilali replied: "If I put it that way in Australia, the whole country would be in uproar."
   He mentioned a recent case in Australia in which a man was jailed for "forcing himself" on his wife.  "Three-and-a-half years!  I mean, it's a distasteful act, but . . ."
   Sheikh Hilali said that Islam in Australia had grown because of the controversy. 
   On the gang rapes in Sydney, he said: "A young man can meet a woman, smile, arrange a meeting, and then end up in jail for 65 years.  (Bilal Skaf was sentenced to 55 years, reduced to 38 on appeal.)
   "He was judged in the name of bin Laden.  He deserved to be jailed, no question, but for 65 years? This is not really about the crime, it is about racial prejudice."
   Sheikh Hilali is still in Lebanon.  His former spokesman Keysar Trad, president of the Islamic Friendship Association, said some of the comments seemed ill-advised but were not intended to be malicious. 
   He said the sheikh's comments about coming to Australia voluntarily were to show that he loved Australia and saw himself as Australian. 
   Mr Howard was asked about the sheikh's reference to convicts and replied: "I think it will bring a wry smile, if it's , .  .  .  to the face of many Australians who sort of don't actually feel the least bit offended that many of our ancestors came here as convicts." #
   [RECAPITULATION: This is not really about the crime, it is about racial prejudice RECAP.  ENDS.]
   [COMMENT: He was talking about a Muslim who used "racist" taunts against non-Muslim females before, during and after raping them.  Please do NOT dismiss Al-Hilali -- he is following his religion's teachings, so is helping other people to understand them.  In his view, Muslims had a foothold in Australia before the British came! He would go well as a Professor of History -- in Mogadishu! or Riyyad!
   P.S.  for young readers -- the Aborigines were here before the British, and showed not the slightest sign of stoning rape VICTIMS to death, cutting the hands off thieves, or cutting the heads off people who were not of their belief system.  In many ways, they were less cruel than the British of those days, so could not possibly have been Muslims. 
   Furthermore, the guards and officials who controlled the convicts did NOT arrive in manacles!
   The one freedom that Al-Hilali ought to exercise is the freedom to leave such an undemocratic prejudiced racist history-knowing country as Australia.  COMMENT ENDS.] [Jan 12, 07]
• Westerners are dishonest: Sheikh.  Egypt flag; Mooney's MiniFlags  Australia flag; www.flagaustnat.asn.au/ 

Westerners are dishonest: Sheikh

 
   The West Australian, p 5, Friday, January 12, 2007
  [Picture] He's at it again: Australian Muslim leader Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilaly has attacked Australia on Egyptian television.   
   MELBOURNE: Controversial Muslim leader Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilaly has savaged Australia in an interview on Egyptian television, claiming there is no freedom or democracy for Muslims and that English people are the most unjust and dishonest. 
   The Mufti of Australia said Muslims were more Australian than Anglo-Saxons because they arrived voluntarily, that Australians played the "fear card" to keep Muslims down, and that racial prejudice was the reason for the 55-year sentence given to gang rapist Bilal Skaf.
   "Anglo-Saxons came to Australia in chains, while we (Muslims) paid our way and came in freedom.  We are more Australian than them.  Australia is not an Anglo-Saxon country - Islam has deep roots in Australian soil that were there before the English arrived," Sheikh al-Hilaly said.
   He was talking on the Egyptian news program Cairo Today, shown in Australia on the Orbit satellite network on Tuesday morning. 
   The interview, in Arabic, was about the furore he created in October with a Ramadan sermon in which he compared scantily clad women with "uncovered meat", suggesting they were responsible for rape.
   After the sermon, which was rejected by Muslims across Australia, Sheikh al-Hilaly offered to stand down as mufti if an independent panel - he first suggested the Federal Sex Discrimination Commissioner - found he had blamed women for rape.  His future will be decided next month by the eight-man executive of a new national board of imams.
   Sheikh al-Hilaly is a member of the executive.
   During the half-hour program, Sheikh al-Hilaly said the controversy showed how standards were skewed and claims were fabricated.  "There is no freedom and no democracy (for Muslims) - the most dishonest and unjust people are Western people and the English in particular."
   He said Australian law allowed freedoms that at times were "close to madness", that Australia had a third gender of "people who are not male or female" and that Christian churches allowed same-sex marriage.
   He also said the Exclusive Brethren forbade TV, radio, mobile phones and mixed schooling but Prime Minister John Howard said that was their right.
   He said the controversy over his sermon was about domestic politics.  #
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   [RECAPITULATION: "…  Australia is not an Anglo-Saxon country - Islam has deep roots in Australian soil that were there before the English arrived," Sheikh al-Hilaly said.
   …  the sermon, …  was rejected by Muslims across Australia … 
   "There is no freedom and no democracy (for Muslims) - the most dishonest and unjust people are Western people and the English in particular." ENDS.]
   [COMMENT: And, Muslims also have deep roots in Arabian soil, so why not go there?  The sermon was in line with the principles of taqiyya, so like his other sermons has NOT been rejected by Muslims -- or else, why do so many people keep attending his Sydney mosque?  If the Westerners and English in his opinion do not give freedom and democracy, and are dishonest and unjust, aren't there other countries which would be better for Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilaly and his followers to live in?  He gave the talk on Egyptian TV -- did he bring back some Egyptian immigration application forms? ENDS.]
   [DOCTRINE: Recite: 3:118 (or 3:114). 
   4:89 (or 91):- …  Take therefore none of them for friends …  If they turn back, then seize them, and slay them wherever ye find them …  www.usc.edu/ dept/MSA/ quran/004.  qmt.html #004.089 . 
   5:51 (or 5:56):- O you who believe!  do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.  www.usc.edu/ dept/MSA/ quran/005.  qmt.html #005.051 .  DOCTRINE ENDS.] [Jan 12, 07]
• WA link to banned Muslim extremists.  Singapore flag; www.theodora.com  Australia flag; www.flagaustnat.asn.au/ 

WA link to banned Muslim extremists

 
   The West Australian, By KIM MACDONALD, p 5, Friday, January 12, 2007
   SINGAPORE: A prominent South-East Asian terrorism research centre claims sympathisers for a Muslim extremist group which has been banned in parts of Europe and the Middle East live in WA and raise funds here.
   The International Centre for Political Violence and Terrorism Research at Singapore's Nanyang Technological University said its intelligence showed that up to a dozen sympathisers with the group Hizb ut-Tahrir were in WA.
   The group claims to be a peaceful promoter of an Islamic superstate, but its alleged links with the terrorists behind the London bombings prompted British Prime Minister Tony Blair to call for it to be banned.
   The centre's head of terrorism research, John Harrison, said Indonesian members had flown to Perth for informal talks with local sympathisers several times in recent years, but they did not currently appear to be any threat.
   "Certainly there have been individuals associated with the group in Perth but any presence is strictly in a support role, in terms of fundraising," Dr Harrison said.
   The group was found to have booked a hall in Sydney under a false name for a conference to be held a day after Australia Day.
   NSW-based Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Wassim Doureihi – who has refused to condemn the attacks of September 11, Bali or London – said the conference aimed to discuss Muslim politics and the eventual possibility of an Islamic superstate.
   But Christian critics claimed the conference would be a recruiting ground for the extremist group.
   The group has been banned in the Netherlands and Germany after distributing anti-Semitic propaganda which called for Jews to be killed, and is also banned in several Middle Eastern countries.
  ‘Certainly there have been individuals associated with the group in Perth.’  
  TERRORISM EXPERT JOHN HARRISON  
   Its members have also come under fire for praising suicide bombers as martyrs and describing Israel as an illegal state. 
   The British plan to ban the group was shelved after authorities and civil liberty groups said the group posed no threat and that it was dangerous to push it underground.
   Attorney-General Phillip Ruddock yesterday reiterated claims that ASIO had also found the group posed no threat to Australian security.
   W A and Fedetal police declined to say whether or not they were aware of the group having a presence in the State.
   The group is active in 40 countries and has 5000 to 10,000 core members and tens of thousands of followers.  #
http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/submit/subchron6.htm#wa_link_to
   [RECAPITULATION: …  called for Jews to be killed …  ENDS.]
   [DOCTRINE - Koran: 33:26-27:- And those of the People of the Book who aided them - Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts.  (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners.  And He gave you their land, and their dwellings, and their wealth, for an heritage – even a land on which ye had never set foot:  for the might of Allah is equal to all things. 
   [GUIDELINE - HADITH: 41:6985 (Sahih Muslim's collection):- …  Allah's Messenger …  saying The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree … 
   [COMMENT: These are just a couple of anti-Judaism quotes.  COMMENT ENDS.]
   [2nd RECAPITULATION: Attorney-General Phillip Ruddock yesterday reiterated claims that ASIO had also found the group posed no threat to Australian security.
   [2nd DOCTRINE - Koran:    2:193 (or 189):- …  Fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left. 
   71:26-27 (or 27-28):- And Noah said, 'Lord, leave not one single family of Infidels on the Earth:  For if thou leave them they will beguile thy servants and will beget only sinners, infidels.  DOCTRINE ENDS.]
   [2nd GUIDELINE - HADITH: 4, 53:386: Narrated Jubair bin Haiya: Umar sent the Muslims to the great countries to fight the pagans.  When Al-Hurmuzan embraced Islam, Umar said to him.  "I would like to consult you regarding these countries which I intend to invade." […] Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give jizya (i.e.  tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:– "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e.  martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master." […] GUIDELINE ENDS.] [Jan 12, 07]
• [Stop Muslim immigration letter and terror discussed; Act now on racist mufti.]  Australia flag; www.flagaustnat.asn.au/ 

[Stop Muslim immigration letter and terror discussed]


WE DISAGREE
   The West Australian, Various Letters to The Editor, p 19, Monday, January 15, 2007
   Jim Benson-Lidholm (Letters, 11/1), I feel sure, would agree that while there have been some excellent letters to the editor on immigration, Graeme Campbell's (Stop Islamic migration, 9/1) was not one of them. 
   Mr Campbell complains that Australia is allowing "hordes" of Africans to come and live here.  Without burdening us with the slightest hint of evidence he tells us that these hordes are bringing in diseases, live on welfare and have no affinity with our culture.
   But wait, there's more.  Mr Campbell, again without even a passing nod to any facts or figures, goes on to warn us that there has been a "massive" increase in Islamic immigration.  Then he crassly declaims "that while not all Islamic people are terrorists….  most terrorists are Islamic".
   Kalgoorlie's very own Forrest Gump seems not to have heard of ETA, the Basque separatist movement, the murderous thugs that have operated in Northern Ireland for 30 years, Black September, the Tamil Tigers, Shining Path and other South American terrorists–the list goes on and on with not an Islamic person in sight.
   Mr Campbell should perhaps ponder for a while the obvious truth that all over the world, people of every religion and no religion want the same things.  They want justice, freedom, and acceptance – the very things that Australia and most Australians can provide. Daniel Baldwin, Bedford
[ETA, IRA, Tigers, Marxists, too]
   Unfortunately, Graeme Campbell has failed to adequately check his figures.  The ABS figures show that the growth in numbers of Buddhists and Hindus entering Australia far outweighs that of Muslims.
   Similarly his claim that most terrorists are Muslims was misinformed because unfortunately he forgets about members of ETA, the IRA, the Tamil Tigers or the Marxist terror outfits in Columbia and the Philippines.
   These are just some of the many non-Muslim terrorist organisations and, in fact, at last count most terrorist organisations were shown to be non-Muslim. N.  Brkich, Noranda. 
[Unbelievable indeed; many no intention to assimilate]
   Replying to Jim Benson-Lidhohn's criticism of Graeme Campbell, one has to ask why it is that these people who have, as he says, suffered "unbelievable tragedy" in their lives find it convenient to go back to the scene of their tragedy for a holiday or to "find a wife" when living on welfare in our country.  Perhaps their tragedy is in fact truly unbelievable.
   Most of the refugees who arrived here since World War I came from countries of Anglo-Celtic European origin and were culturally compatible and prepared to integrate into our society. 
   To say that we're a nation of immigrants is the fatuous chant of the often self-hating pro-immigration lobby.  In a sense, just about every country is a nation of immigrants if a long enough time scale is used.  However, in this country, like the US, the greatest growth in population has come from the natural birthrate.
   What Mr Campbell said about most terrorists being Islamic is not a matter for historians, it is a matter of contemporary fact.
   It's nice to know that his organisation, West Coast Refugee Sanctuary Group, has supported more than a hundred refugees in the past couple of years and most have successfully assimilated.  Perhaps we should make them responsible for the entire program. 
   The truth is that many do not assimilate and have no intention of doing so and are disproportionately involved in crime and abuse of our laws and culture.

Act now on racist mufti

 
   Australia's leading mufti, Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilaly, has once again come out with verbal diarrhoea.  The same man who recently compared scantily clad women to uncovered meat, and implied those women were to blame if they were raped, has now come out saying that Australians are liars, excused gang rapists as being OK and claims Muslims have more right to live in this country than descendants of convicts.
   Where does this man get off? Why is he not being deported for inciting racial-sexual-cultural violence and hate? If he thinks Australians are so horrible, he should leave.
   The words he breathes incite hate and can be classed as a form of terrorism.  He has no respect for Australians – especially women – and I would like to think that most men and women living in this country would be disgusted with his comments. 
   Sadly, those who have small brains would welcome his comments, take them as gospel and act on them, thus breeding a group of criminals.
   We are trying to rid ourselves of terrorism and hate crimes, so the Australian Government needs to get serious about acting against people who hide behind religion to incite hate and violence.  We need to start looking more closely at those living in this country under false pretences.
   Sheikh al-Hilaly has again shown he has no right to live in this country when he spouts his evil hatred for the peaceful nation where he has enjoyed freedom for 20 years.
   If John Howard wants to get tough on terrorism here and overseas, then he needs to stand up right now and protect our beautiful country by being hard on extreme religious fanaticswho are against Australia. 
   He should deport this pathetic little man and prove that we not stand for such unwelcome, foreign hatred.  Kick him out under the terrorism laws. 
http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/submit/subchron6.htm#act
Enough's enough
   John Howard is wrong if he thinks Australians will react with only a wry smile to the latest comments by Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilaly – it will be more like with anger.
  [Picture] Sheikh al-Hilaly  
   They have had enough of the lefties changing everything in our culture to appease the cultural sensitivity of a group that has brought nothing to this world so far but terrorism.
   As for the mufti's comments that Muslims paid their way to Australia and came in freedom, they have paid for nothing.  It is Australians who are now paying for them, both through the welfare system and the loss of their freedom and cultural identity to make this group of individuals feel part of our society. 
Pity Muslims
   I feel sorry for the Muslim people of Australia with a religious leader who has the gall to have a shot at a country that he calls home.  If he does not like this country, he can feel free not to come back.
   Australia is a proud country because of its multicultural society and he is just making it harder for all.  I feel that the Muslim people may be better off with someone who is more compassionate and diplomatic.
Empty rubbish
   How very brave of Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilaly to firmly embed himself in the Middle East and start mouthing off about Anglo-Saxon convicts and all the rest of his pure unadulterated rubbish.  A few Poms tried that on years ago and failed miserably.
   I'm fourth-generation Australian and proud of it.  Instead of talking about bringing the troops home from Iraq, we should be tipping a few of his type out with the rest of the garbage.
   There is no place in Australia for people like him–end of story.
YOUR SMS
[No respect, you're not nice, not welcome]
   Comments made by the mufti again shows us he has no respect for Australia, its people and our way of life.  Mufti, do the right thing and stay in Egypt.  You and your comments are not nice and not welcome.
http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/submit/subchron6.htm#stop
   [CONTACT: letters@ wanews.com.  au   ENDS.] [Jan 15, 07]
• Senior Muslim likens mufti's rant to Hitler.  Australia flag; www.flagaustnat.asn.au/ 

Senior Muslim likens mufti’s rant to Hitler

 
   The West Australian, p 13, Monday, January 15, 2007
   SYDNEY – A senior Muslim has attacked outspoken Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilaly, saying he had damaged Islam in Australia as much as Hitler damaged Christianity. 
   The Australian Federation of Islamic Council legal adviser Haset Sali said the sheikh's diatribe on Egyptian television last week was insane and his comments horrified most Australian Muslims.
   "Hilaly increasingly chooses to rewrite what he thinks should be in the Holy Koran and his sick and vile comments in his recent interviews are not only un-Islamic but inhumane and highly disgraceful," Mr Sali said.
   John Howard also berated the mufti, saying Australia's Islamic community risks embarrassment and hurt if it does not act against him.
   The cleric told Egyptians white Australians were "liars" and Muslims were more entitled to be in Australia than people with a convict heritage.
   In comments aired in Australia last night, he said his detractors were racists who conspired to twist his words against him.
   The mufti also took a swipe at the Prime Minister, calling him "Mr Me Too" because "he waits for any news from America to say 'me too'."
   Asked if he was offended, Mr Howard said: "I have been insulted by experts."
   He said the mufti was entitled to return to Australia because he was an Australian citizen and had done nothing to breach that right.
   But he said it was in Islamic Australians' own interest to do something about the cleric because he was damaging their community.
   "I worry about the damage his behaviour is doing to the image of Islamic Australians within our broader community," Mr Howard said.  "I don't want them to be hurt by him but they alone have it in their hands to stop that happening."
   Islamic Friendship Association president and close friend of the mufti, Keysar Trad, said he welcomed Mr Howard's comments about leaving the sheikh's fate in the hands of his own community.
   "I'm glad the Prime Minister recognises that this is an issue for Muslims.  However, I do believe that people have the right to hear from the mufti himself," Mr Trad said.
   The mufti was not expected back in Australia before next weekend and he would advise him to further explain his comments on his return.
   NSW Premier Morris Iemma said he dismissed the sheikh's latest and earlier remarks.  "We should not attach much credibility to him because he just doesn't have any," he said.  #
http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/submit/subchron6.htm#senior
   [RECAPITULATION: …  Prime Minister, …  "Mr Me Too"…  news from America …  say 'me too' …    ENDS.]
   [COMMENT: Clever!  Some cynics think of the PM and politicians' business mentors as "Mr Me First".    COMMENT ENDS.]
   [DOCTRINE, Koran: 33:1:- O Prophet, fear thou Allah and obey not the unbelievers and the hypocrites; – Truly Allah is Knowing, Wise:
   33:48 (or 47):- And obey not (the behests) of the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and heed not their annoyances, but put thy Trust in Allah.  For enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.  www.usc.edu/ dept/MSA/ quran/033.  qmt.html #033.048 . 
   33:61:- Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.   DOCTRINE ENDS.]
   [REFLECTION: The more that the Unbelievers (i.e., non-Muslims) and Hypocrites (i.e., critical fellow-Muslims) criticise Al-Hilali's ignorant statements, the more pious Muslims will back his attacks on "Unbelievers".  A future instruction from such imams might be to declaim aya 33:61.   ENDS.]
   [2nd COMMENT: Most Muslim clerics' main education is learning the Koran off by heart, and hearing/reading commentaries and the dead-ends of the Hadith traditions about Mhd and the sharia law.  Just as former PM Gough Whitlam thought that Poland was a creation after World War I, so many Muslim clerics have below-average knowledge of humanity's great struggles for progress and freedom, because their minds are set on repression of freedom, in the name of Allah.
   [PRONOUNCE NSW Premier Iemma's surname "Yemma".    ENDS.] [Jan 15, 07]
• The Koran. 

THE KORAN

 
   Thrice Holy website, http:// thriceholy.  net/Texts/ Koran5.html , found by MetaCrawler on January 15, 2007
   [Elegantly displayed, with footnotes.] [Found Jan 15, 07]
• Undercover Mosques: The Transcripts.  [Channel 4: Dispatches] Britain and Northern Ireland, United Kingdom of, flag; Mooney's MiniFlags  Saudi Arabia flag; www.edwardmooney.com/miniflags/ 

Undercover Mosques: The Transcripts

   BRITAIN: MPACUK (Muslim Public Affairs Committee, United Kingdom), < http://mpacuk. org/content/ view/3266/ 34/ >, Monday, January 15, 2007
   MPACUK has learnt of a Channel 4 documentary claiming to reveal Muslim preachers in certain Mosques urging their followers to ‘reject British Law’, ‘prepare for Jihad’ and to ‘hit girls for not wearing the hijab’.  The Dispatches documentary, which will be aired at 8pm on Monday 15th January claims to have video footage of these preachers praising the Taliban and making various comments about non-Muslims.  The documentary concentrates on a handful of mosques in the Birmingham area claiming that they promote extremism.
PART ONE
Tonight on Dispatches – an ideology of bigotry and intolerance spreading through Britain with its roots in Saudi Arabia
Sheikh Yasin: We Muslims have been ordered to do brainwashing
- on women’s rights
Abu Usamah: Allah has created the woman deficient
Sh Jibali: If she doesn’t wear hijab, we hit her
- gay rights
Abu Usamah: take that homosexual man and throw him from the mountain
- living in a multicultural society
Dr Mian: You have to live like a state within a state until you take over
- and holy war
Sh Feiz: The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the summit, of Islam, is jihad
TITLES
A Dispatches investigation has uncovered a fundamentalist message, spreading from the Saudi Arabia religious establishment
through mosques run by major UK organisations
which claim to be dedicated to moderation and to dialogue with other faiths

Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham is a high-profile mosque
- and one we’d heard receives theological guidance from Saudi Arabia
Caption: Undercover filming
Our reporter went undercover last summer, joining thousands of worshippers
He’s staying anonymous
Caption: 12 August 2006
The theme of today’s lecture is – don’t believe in the arrests of alleged terrorists without proof
… as non Muslims are liars
Abu Usamah: I don’t believe them, because they are kuffaar, lying is part of their religion
Kuffaar is an Arabic word, meaning non-believer – an infidel
Abu Usamah: Unlike those kuffaar, they do whatever they want to do
It’s a term our reporter was to hear repeatedly being used in a derogatory way
Abu Usamah: they are liars, they are terrorists themselves, liars, they will come before the people and talk and they are lying, you can’t believe them, these are pathological liars
Shots of Green Lane website
Green Lane Mosque calls itself a “centre for interfaith communication”, welcoming people of all religions
But our reporter filmed there over four months, and found this speaker, Abu Usamah, was their main English-language preacher
He says Christians and Jews are enemies to Muslims
Abu Usamah: It has come to pass that the Christians and the Jews, America, the UK, France, Germany, they have come against the religion of Islam.  Why give up your religion and your long legacy of Islam, to please someone who is an enemy to you?
Abu Usamah is an American convert and a very popular speaker at Green Lane
Abu Usamah (shaking hands with everyone): Hey, my man, how you doing?
He preaches against non-Muslim laws
Abu Usamah: We want the laws of Islam to be practised, we want to do away with the man-made laws
And says British popular culture is a threat
Abu Usamah: The popular culture, if you are a person who gives yourself to that, your mind is going to be controlled by the so-called powers that be, who make these man-made laws
Green Lane’s official website says the mosque is “designed to counter the negative publicity and stereotyping of Islam”
But after a few weeks, our reporter was told by fellow worshippers how to access another, much more difficult-to-find internet chatroom
It’s run by Green Lane Mosque, and broadcasts Abu Usamah’s speeches live to a small band of listeners
He says Muslims should obey British laws and contracts, if they don’t contradict Islam, but he condemns non-believers
Caption: Green Lane internet broadcast
Abu Usamah: No-one loves the kuffaar, no-one loves the kuffaar, not a single person here from the Muslims loves the kuffaar, whether those kuffaar are from the UK or the US.  We love the people of Islam and we hate the people of kufr, we hate the kuffaar
Filmed undercover, he says he doesn’t agree with the violent actions of Muslim terrorists - but he prefers them to non-Muslims
Abu Usamah: I don’t agree with those individuals, but at the same time they are closer to me than those criminals of the kufr
Cap: Green Lane internet broadcast
Abu Usamah: He’s better than a million George Bushes, Osama Bin Laden, and he’s better than a thousand Tony Blairs, because he’s a Muslim
The mosque films some of Abu Usamah’s speeches, and they’re sold locally as DVDs
Caption: The Major Sins: Ahlus Sunnah Productions (2005)
In this one, he says even Muslims who don’t follow their strict rules can be ostracised as “kaffirs”
Abu Usamah: If you leave off the prayer out of negligence, then you are a kaffir.  If he dies like that you have to bury him with the kuffaar.  You can’t marry him
He preaches an ideal Islamic state
Abu Usamah: Muslims shouldn’t satisfied with living in other than the total Islamic state
His vision of the Islamic state includes extreme punishments, as he outlines in this DVD
DVD: The Major Sins: Ahlus Sunnah Productions (2005)
Abu Usamah: Whoever changes his religion from Islam to anything else – kill him in the Islamic state
The religious leader, or imam, can decide the punishments
Internet broadcast
Abu Usamah: If the imam wants to crucify him, he should crucify him.  The person is put up on the wood and he is left there to bleed to death for three days
Abu Usamah condemns the Western interpretation of free speech, which means the Prophet can be insulted, but he can be censored
Abu Usamah: If I were to call homosexuals perverted, dirty, filthy dogs, that should be murdered, that’s my freedom of speech isn’t it? But they’ll say no, I’m not tolerant, but they feel that it’s OK to say something about the Prophet?
Our reporter has found these views being regularly preached at the head mosque of a major Muslim organisation

Green Lane Mosque, Birmingham, is the headquarters of the Markazi Jamiat Ahl-e-hadith, a registered charity which runs over 40 mosques and branches as well as Islamic schools
It’s an influential affiliate of the Muslim Council of Britain, which has praised it as “a national body”, “respected for its educational and outreach programmes”
But our reporter secretly filmed Abu Usamah teaching that a “jihad” is coming against the unbelievers
Abu Usamah: Verily Allah going to bring a group of people that he loves and they love him, these people will who will be soft and kind to the believers and they will be rough and tough against the kuffaar, they will fight in the cause of Allah
I encourage all of you to be from amongst them, to begin to cultivate ourselves for the time that is fast approaching where the tables are going to turn and the Muslims are going to be in the position of being uppermost in strength, and when that happens, people won’t get killed – unjustly
After a few weeks, our reporter learns that Green Lane worshippers get regular religious instruction, direct from Saudi Arabia
Live, two-way video links are set up
Projected onto the wall is the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia
Caption: Saudi state television
He’s the country’s top religious leader– now being beamed live to worshippers in Birmingham
They ask questions through an interpreter, and get fatwas – religious rulings (CHK?)
By now, our reporter has become a regular at the mosque
The man who supervises the video links tells him they’ve recorded them
Man: We actually record them onto DVDs. 
Reporter: You do?
Man: What we’ll do is, whatever the cost is of the DVDs you just contribute to that and it’s not a problem
And our reporter is given them
Man: These are the masters, whatever you want to do is fine
The DVDs show a Birmingham worshipper, who asks the Grand Mufti for a fatwa about understanding between Muslims and other religions
CAPTION: Saudi Broadcast, June 2006
Question: Some people say we shouldn’t call Christians and Jews kuffaar, and we should establish dialogue and good relations with them.  What’s your answer to this?
His answer is uncompromising
Grand Mufti: This is not true.  Jews and Christians who do not follow the Prophet Mohammed are kuffaar.  They will go to hell
He says Muslims can’t help non-believers
Grand Mufti: Anyone who helps or defends an apostate, or a pagan, or an atheist, or anyone who attacks Islam, will be cursed
Green Lane Mosque is spreading a brand of Islam originating in Saudi Arabia – often known as Wahhabism
It’s a hardline theology, opposed by many British Muslims
Academic Dr Irfan Al Alawi investigates Wahhabism
He keeps his face hidden in interviews because of the dangers of his work
ASTON: Dr Irfan Al Alawi
Islamic Heritage Foundation
Dr Irfan Al Alawi: Wahhabis believe that you cannot show tolerance to other religions, so the religion of Islam has to rule the world.  Green Lane in Birmingham, that mosque is one of the extreme Wahhabi centres in the UK
Caption: Saudi TV
Wahhabism is opposed to the traditional, tolerant beliefs of classical Islam, according to leading Muslim academic Abdal Hakim Murad
CAPTION: Abdal Hakim Murad
University of Cambridge
Hakim Murad: Its principle is totalitarian, it’s highly judgemental, it has no track record of dealing with other sorts of Islam or with unbelievers with any kind of respect.  If you are outside the small circle of the true believers you are going to hell and therefore you should be treated with contempt
Non-believers are called “kaffirs” or “kuffaar”
It’s a term they use as an insult, according to moderate British Muslims like Dr Taj Hargey
ASTON: Dr Taj Hargey
Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford
Dr Taj Hargey: The word kaffir is a very pejorative, negative, disparaging term.  When you call someone a kaffir, they are not worthy to be associated with.  This kind of intolerance is something that gives rise to extremists
Many children were present at the Green Lane lectures our reporter filmed, where intolerance and bigotry were openly preached
In a DVD of a conference at Green Lane Mosque, a preacher called Sheikh Al-Jibali says Muslim children should be kept away from non-Muslims
Caption: Preparing to Stand Before Allah: Ahlus Sunnah Productions (2004)
Sheikh Al Jibali: What is sad to see is that many parents they send children to the kuffaar schools, they allow them to mix with the kuffaar, so that the lifestyle and beliefs of the kuffaar become deep rooted in the hearts of the kids
In a fatwa given in the video links, the Grand Mufti says children should be hit if they don’t pray
Saudi Broadcast, May 2006
Grand Mufti: Tell your children to pray when they are seven, and hit them when they are ten
The Ahl-e-hadith’s website directs readers to literature which says “Islam confers equal rights upon all”, regardless of sex
But in a crackly internet broadcast, Abu Usamah says women are “deficient”
Green Lane Internet broadcast
Abu Usamah: Allah has created the woman, even if she gets a Phd, deficient.  Her intellect is incomplete, deficient.  She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional.  It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man
Saudi-based clerics in the video links preach male supremacy
Caption: Saudi broadcast May 2006
Sheikh: Khunayn: Men are in charge of women.  Wherever he goes she should follow him and she shouldn’t be allowed leave the house without his permission
Sheikh Al Jibali says the hijab must be enforced on young girls, if necessary with violence
Caption: Preparing to Stand Before Allah: Ahlus Sunnah Productions (2004)
Al Jibali:.  By the age of ten, it becomes an obligation on us to force her to wear hijab, and if she doesn’t wear hijab, we hit her
Our reporter secretly filmed this preacher, Dr Bilal Philips, giving religious rulings at Green Lane
In a speech in the mosque, which was also broadcast in its internet chatroom, he claims marrying off a girl before puberty is permissible
He claims the Prophet Mohammed married a nine year old girl, so it’s permissible now
Dr Bilal Philips: The Prophet Mohammed practically outlined the rules regarding marriage prior to puberty, with his practice he clarified what is permissible and that is why we shouldn’t have any issues about an older man marrying a younger woman, which is looked down upon by this society today, but we know that Prophet Mohammed practised it, it wasn’t abuse or exploitation, it was marriage
RIGHT TO REPLY LIKELY FROM DR PHILIPS
Abu Usamah quotes what he says are the words of a companion of the Prophet, on the Islamic punishment for homosexuality
Abu Usamah: Do you practise homosexuality with men? Take that homosexual man and throw him off the mountain
And in a DVD, he attacks the idea of gay rights
DVD: Preparing to Stand Before Allah: Ahlus Sunnah Productions (2004)
Abu Usamah: They have given them unprecedented rights, so that your child can be exposed and introduced to lesbians.  Now they say, if you discriminate against them, you are going to jail
He says Muslims should discriminate
Abu Usamah: We’ll discriminate, but we’ll discriminate in a way where we don’t get in trouble.  The Muslim is a dentist and one of those people comes I’m going to take a big needle and stick it in his gum
Then he says it’s a joke, as it might get the mosque in trouble
Abu Usamah: They’ll take this and get us all in trouble
On the anniversary of the 7th of July bombings, a speech by Abu Usamah was broadcast in the Green Lane chatroom, condemning terrorism
Green Lane Internet Broadcast
Abu Usamah: We want to make an official statement here, no way are we in agreement to what took place last year on this day in the kuffaar calendar
But he does believe in jihad
Abu Usamah: But in saying that, we do not apologise for any aspect of this religion, there is jihad in Islam.  What’s most beloved and favourite thing to Allah? Jihad in the Way of Allah
He says the real jihad will come when the senior Islamic clerics declare it – and prays it will come soon
Abu Usamah: We ask Allah to bring about the means and the ways in which the Muslims will get the power and the honour of repelling the oppression of the kuffaar, where we can go out and perform the jihad.  We ask Allah to bring that time, so we can be participants in that
Abu Usamah he told us: “Islam allows for any Muslim to peacefully coexist here in the UK with non-Muslims even though the UK is not an Islamic society
He said he had made it clear that it is a religious duty on all Muslims to obey UK law and the carrying out of Islamic law could only be done in an actual Islamic state
He said: “Homosexuality is an abomination against Allah and all mankind and I will never condone it.  Even though this is the case, I do not believe in disobeying the law when it comes to the way people deal with homosexuals.”

A hardline message, influenced by Saudi Arabian clerics, is preached at Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham
An imam from the mosque has helped advise the government
Abdul Hadi sat on a government taskforce on extremism, set up after the 7th of July bombings
He was part of its working group on combating extremism in mosques and imams
DVD: Preparing to Stand Before Allah: Ahlus Sunnah Productions (2004)
Yet this DVD shows he took part in a Green Lane conference in which other speakers urged Muslims to discriminate against homosexuals and hit girls who don’t wear the hijab
He seemed to have no worries at the extremism of the message
Abdul Hadi: It is very hard to conclude such a beautiful programme, but we have to
The head of the working group on mosques and imams was Lord Nazir Ahmed, Britain’s first Muslim peer
He’s previously praised Green Lane Mosque
In an interview with BBC radio in 2003, he named it as his favourite spiritual place in the country
Cap: Favourite Spiritual Places July 2003
Lord Ahmed: Number 20, Green Lane, Birmingham, is my favourite spiritual place
He said he’d worshipped there
Lord Ahmed: This is the most amazing place.  When I walk into the mosque, I feel I am entering the biggest palace on earth
Lord Ahmed recently said he would ask the Lord Chancellor to meet an organisation called the Islamic Shari’ah Council, including its Secretary General, a preacher called Sheikh Suhaib Hasan
The meeting would be to discuss the introduction of Islamic divorce laws into the UK constitution
Undercover filming at Green Lane
Our reporter filmed Sheikh Hasan speaking at Green Lane
He’s a senior imam at a major mosque in East London, and a former President of the Markazi Jamiat Ahl-e-hadith
In a speech downloaded from his mosque website, he proclaims the supremacy of Muslims in encounters with the non-believers
Masjid Al Tawhid internet broadcast
NO SUBTITLES
Sh Hasan: And Allah made the words of the kuffaar dung/down and the words of the believers supreme (footnote for the press – HE SAYS IT IS DOWN, NOT DUNG)
In speeches on other Islamic websites, he predicts the coming of an Islamic state
Suhaib Hasan: True Understanding of the Khilaafah
Sh Hasan: Allah has decreed this thing, that I am going to be dominant, the dominance of course is a political dominance
The Islamic state he predicts will have a single, lifelong ruler with no opposition parties or elections and it will bring in a strict version of Islamic law
Sh Hasan: The chopping of the hands of the thieves, the flogging of the adulterers and flogging of the drunkards
Then this state will launch jihad
Sh Hasan: Then jihad against the non-Muslims, against those people who are the oppressors
Sheikh Hasan told us that the word “kuffaar” was “not a racist or discriminatory term when heard in its Quranic sense”
He said he’d stated many times that the re-establishment of a “single Islamic state”, would be peaceful
He said he had often praised the British welfare state, its judicial, health and education systems
He said: “I have never promoted any form of extremism, whether religious or otherwise”

Lord Ahmed told us that Green Lane Mosque was one of many mosques he visited
He said: “It would be ludicrous to suggest that by visiting an institution I become responsible for, or aware of, every word spoken at that establishment
He said he had asked for the meeting with the Lord Chancellor on behalf of all Muslims, and said he was not aware of all the views held by Sheikh Hasan
Next, we investigate claims that radicalism, linked to the Saudi religious establishment has spread across the country
….  even reaching into Britain’s biggest and most mainstream mosque

PART TWO
A Dispatches reporter investigated one of Britain’s biggest and most mainstream mosques
Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham
uncovering a fundamentalist ideology emanating from the Saudi religious establishment
He found it promoting male supremacy
Abu Usamah: Allah has created the woman deficient
Green Lane preacher: If she doesn’t wear hijab, we hit her
Condemning non-Muslims
Abu Usamah: We hate the kuffaar, we do not give obedience to the kuffaar
and predicting a future jihad
Abu Usamah: The tables are going to turn, and the Muslims are going to be in a position of being uppermost in strength
Now he was to discover how preachers trained in Saudi Arabia are spreading the same message around the country
Last summer, a two-week Islamic Studies course was arranged at the mosque, and our reporter was accepted onto it
It was to be taught by clerics, flown specially from the University of Medinah, in Saudi Arabia
But then it was cancelled at short notice
Our reporter went to their office to find out more
The preacher Abu Usamah tells him what the aim of the course was
Abu Usamah: From what I know is, people were going to come and teach the course from Saudi Arabia.  Part of the programme was, the students who did good like the first three or top five students, would get a scholarship to go.  That was part of the conditions they had agreed with the Professors who are coming, because the Professors are from the university
Reporter: Of Medinah?
Abu Usamah: Yes
The most devout worshippers at Green Lane are being offered scholarships to Saudi religious universities
Abu Usamah: It’s for people like you
The aim is to train new preachers, according to Dr Irfan Al Alawi, who keeps his face hidden in interviews
Dr Al Alawi: Medinah University is a very hardcore Wahhabi institution.  Over the years they have been giving bursaries to students from United Kingdom and throughout the world to recruit students to be brainwashed, then they are trained to go abroad and teach their poison and inject it into others
Medinah graduates are now spreading the word in mosques up and down the UK
Like Dr Bilal Philips, who says marrying girls before they reach puberty is permissible
.….  Sheikh Suhaib Hasan, who preaches a future Muslim supremacy
…….  and Abu Usamah himself
Hakim Murad: This is one of the most important items I think on the Saudi radical agenda, to push out the more hospitable types of religious leadership and replace them with firebrands, trained and programmed in the major Saudi universities
Our reporter finds that Saudi-trained preachers are being promoted in DVDs and CDs throughout the UK
He found typical examples being sold in the car park at Green Lane Mosque
Children are buying them
And the stalls are manned by local kids
Reporter: Salamu aleikum brother
Reporter: Thank you brother
He buys a DVD of Sheikh Feiz, another Medinah-trained preacher
Reporter: Thank-you brother
- in which he preaches jihad
Cap: Death Series: Islam Productions
Sheikh Feiz: The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit, of Islam, is jihad
He criticises Muslim parents who don’t want their children to learn this
Sh Feiz: Today, many parents, they prevent their children from attending lessons, why? They fear they might create or place in their hearts, the love, just a bit of love, of sacrificing their lives for Allah. 
We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam.  Teach them this, there is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid, put in their soft tender hearts the zeal of jihad and the love of martyrdom
The Markazi Jamiat Ahl-e-hadith, who run Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham told us it was “committed to promoting interfaith dialogue and political harmony in our society”
Scholars from many different backgrounds spoke at its mosque, and we had quoted many out of context
It had not known what each speaker would say beforehand and did not necessarily agree with everything that may have been said
It said the word kuffaar was a neutral term, and said:
“We reject the assertion ….  that we are influenced by and teach an extreme version of Islam…We accept the rule of law and we treat our non-Muslim neighbours with respect.”
It said Islamic punishments are an effective deterrent in Islamic societies

The most notorious convert to preach in Britain was Sheikh Al Faisal, who studied Islam at Riyadh University
He circulated his own tapes, urging followers to kill and to plant bombs, and was jailed for inciting racial hatred
Al Faisal cassette: You have to bomb the Indian businesses, and as for the Jews you kill them physically
In an interview with the BBC, Al Faisal claimed that he learned his anti-Semitic views from his university training in Saudi Arabia
El Faisal: I learned at University that the Holocaust was orchestrated in order that the Jews will establish a homeland in Arab territories
The war to convert is waged on the internet
This website says it’s run by an Islamic charity, which is based in Saudi Arabia
It directs readers to a fatwa website, which says it’s supervised by a Saudi scholar
Readers can email in questions and get religious rulings
The rulings say Muslims in the West must have “an attitude of enmity and hatred of the kaffirs ….  all of the kuffaar are the enemies of the Muslims”…
Jihad –“ pursuing the kaafirs in their lands….  and fighting them if they do not … submit to the rule of Islam” – is a “communal obligation” on Muslims
….  “men are superior to women and are better than women” and husbands can hit their wives – though only lightly
…….  it recommends “prodding with the fist”

DVDs, books and the internet are all ways that the message is spread, according to Saudi expert Mai Yamani
Caption: Mai Yamani
Saudi analyst
Mai Yamani: Since the 1980s, there has been an increase in the export of Wahhabi teachings to the Muslim world, from Kosovo to Jakarta, and to the United States and Great Britain, supercharged with oil money
They sent in money for teachers, for schools, they printed books, they educated imams, so it is like a wave of teachings hitting at the shores of Western countries
Islamic bookshops in Britain are offered free literature
Hakim Murad: A number of bookshops known to me have actually gone out of business because they have been undercut by the more fundamentalist literature being supplied for free by Saudi Arabia
Dr Taj Hargey set up the Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford to promote an Islam of tolerance and peaceful co-existence
He’s opposed to Saudi influence over British Muslim life
Dr Hargey: The Saudi funding of British Muslim institutions come from a variety of official, semi-official and private sources, in addition to government funding through the Ministry of Religious Affairs and other government agencies. 
Money from Saudi has even reached the most famous mosque in Europe
London Central Mosque, better known as Regent’s Park Mosque, is the most recognisable symbol of moderate, mainstream Muslim life in Britain
It says it acts on behalf of the whole Muslim community in dealing with the government
The Saudi monarchy gave two million pounds to help build it, and in the 1990s, they built its educational and administrative wing
Wajid Shamsul Hasan was a trustee of the mosque in the 1990s, in his capacity as the Pakistan High Commissioner to Britain
He had concerns about the direction the mosque was taking
Aston: Wajid Shamsul Hasan
Trustee 1994-1996
Wajid: The Islam that I personally would like to follow is liberal Islam.  This is a centre where 5,000 people once in a week gather, it should be a cradle for the promotion of liberal Islam, but unfortunately, because of the predominant Saudi influence and Saudi money that comes in, it is supportive of Wahhabism
Caption: Undercover filming
The mosque’s official bookshop is run by a company called Darussalam
It’s a British company, but it’s linked to Darussalam Publications - a global publishing house, whose head office is in Saudi Arabia
Our reporter visited – and bought another video of Sheikh Feiz, the Saudi-trained preacher – condemning the non-believer
Caption: Signs of the Hour: Islam Productions
Feiz: Kaffir, the worst word that can ever be written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt!
He calls Jews “pigs” who will be killed when the end of the world comes
Feiz: This creature will say Oh Muslim behind me is the Jew come and kill him.  They will be (snorting), all of them, every single one of them
Regular interfaith meetings with other religions take place at this mosque
Yet in a DVD bought from its bookshop, a British-based convert called Sheikh Khalid Yasin, who studied Arabic in Saudi Arabia, condemns the teachings of other religions
Cap: Changing the World Through Da’wah: IBC Ltd/1Islam Productions
Yasin: We don't need to go to the Christians or the Jews debating with them about the filth which they believe.  We Muslims have been ordered to do brainwashing because the kuffaar they are doing brain defiling.  You are watching the kaffir TV and your wife is watching it right now and your children are watching it and they are being polluted and they are being penetrated and they are being infected, so that you come out of the house and your children come out of the house as Muslims and come back as kaffirs
Cap: London Central Mosque website
In this DVD from the mosque bookshop, he preaches against the equality of women
Cap: Some Advice to the Muslim Women: 1 Islam Productions
Sh Yasin: This whole delusion of the equality of women is a bunch of foolishness….  There’s no such thing
In this DVD, he claims AIDS is a Western and Christian plot
Cap: Jihad or Terrorism?: Ahlussunnah wal Jama’ah
Yasin: Missionaries from the World Health Organisation and Christian groups went into Africa and inoculated people for diphtheria, malaria, yellow fever and they put in the medicine the AIDS virus, which is a conspiracy
The mosque bookshop sells speeches by the Green Lane Mosque preacher, Abu Usamah
In this one, he says Muslims and non-Muslims cannot coexist
Cap: Natural Disasters: WISE Islamic Centre
Abu Usamah: The fire of the Muslim and the non-Muslim, they cannot co-exist, one of them is going to impact the other.  The non-Muslims have the authority, and they have the power, their lifestyle is going to impact upon the Muslims.  Because the good and the bad, they do not co-exist
And they sell audio CDs of Murtaza Khan, a preacher who speaks in many UK mosques
He’s also an Islamic Studies teacher at Al Noor Muslim Primary School in Essex
In this CD from the mosque, he claims the Koran condemns Jews and Christians
CD: Time to Return to the Quran: Knowledge Books and Audio
Murtaza Khan: Those whom the wrath of Allah is upon, is the Jews, is the Christians
And he criticises Muslims who follow their ways
Murtaza Khan: We have become Jews in our clothing, Jews in our eating, Jews in everything that we do, and the other half is Christian in everything we do.  Muslims are following one of these accursed nations.  And people are still not waking up to understand the fact that these people are enemies towards us
He says Muslims should become doctors, so women don’t have to go to non-Muslim doctors
Murtaza Khan: We should have a sense of shame.  For how long have we seen our mothers, our sisters, and our daughters have to go and uncover themselves before these filthy non-Muslim doctors?
Murtaza Khan told us: “My discourses have never been delivered with the intent to malign any individual/group or race.  They are delivered to inspire Muslims to better themselves and then to play a positive role for their own and wider community in Britain.”

Al Noor Muslim Primary School told us: “We can confirm that Mr M.  Khan is employed as a teacher at Al-Noor Primary School and can also categorically state that the alleged remarks ..  do not reflect the views of this educational establishment.  No extreme or discriminatory views are expressed or taught at our school by any of our teachers”

Darussalam International Publications Ltd, which runs the mosque bookshop, told us it sells a wide range of material and did not necessarily agree with it
It said it was “totally unfair” to blame them for the views expressed in the lectures

The current director general of Regents Park Mosque, Dr Al Dubayan, is from Saudi Arabia
A recent employment tribunal concerning a sex discrimination complaint at the mosque revealed that they had no jurisdiction over Dr Al Dubayan, because he’s actually a serving Saudi diplomat
Dr Hargey: It’s scandalous.  The director general of this mosque is a Saudi diplomat, he leads the largest and most prestigious mosque in this country. 
Dr Al Dubayan told us his diplomatic status had been extended to him as a courtesy by the Saudi Arabian government following his appointment
He said the mosque bookshop was run independently and he was seriously concerned to hear that inappropriate materials may be on offer
The materials had been removed immediately until it was ascertained whether they were “damaging to the principles of tolerance, multiculturalism and equal rights.”
He said: “It is simply not true that the London Central Mosque has become dominated by the influence of Saudi Arabia and its religious teachings”

The Saudi government says it’s cracked down on clerics who preach extremism
It says it does everything it can to “confront and combat extremism”
It’s a major ally of Britain
Caption: May 2006
Jack Straw: We proclaim our shared attachment to civilisation and to the basic human values, of respect, of dialogue and freedom
Haras Rafiq heads the Sufi Muslim Council, which promotes a tolerant Islam and is opposed to the spread of radical teachings
Haras Rafiq: A lot of these institutions that are set up by and funded by Wahhabis and their offshoots, are teaching Muslims youngsters to be isolationist, are teaching Muslim youngsters to be segregationalist, are teaching Muslim youngsters that America and Britain are against them and therefore they need to get up against them and fight against them or struggle against them
Hakim Murad: Some Wahhabis believe that this is how the West is to be brought down, by spreading Wahhabism in the heart of the West’s cities. 
Next, we find radicalism, openly preached at a major mosque run by an organisation praised by Tony Blair for its support for multiculturalism and interfaith

PART THREE
A Dispatches reporter has uncovered a message of bigotry and intolerance spreading through Britain from the Saudi religious establishment
Sheikh Feiz: We want to have children and offer them as soldiers, put in their soft, tender hearts, the zeal of jihad
Now he was to find more radical speakers, preaching in a mosque run by a major organisation praised by Tony Blair for its interfaith work

While filming undercover, our reporter met this preacher - Dr Ijaz Mian
He’s a travelling speaker, who talks at different organisations in Britain
Our reporter filmed his talk at a mosque run by the Ahl-e-hadith organisation in Derby
It’s the same organisation that runs Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham, which our reporter found promoting extreme teachings
Dr Mian praises the Saudi religious police, saying they can imprison people for not praying
Dr Mian: They send the police, and they say, well, if you don’t come for prayer, close your shop, we will arrest you But if you don’t, then we have to bring the punishment on you, you will be killed, and nobody will pray on you
Dr Mian is yet another UK preacher who was taught in Saudi Arabia
He spent six years studying Islam at Ibn Saud University in Riyadh
He wants to see religious police operating on the street
Dr Mian: They would make sure that every person prays to Allah, five times.  Every woman will be covered properly, hijab, otherwise the police will just collect them
He has a radical plan for this country
Muslims shouldn’t accept British democracy
Dr Mian: King, Queen, House of Commons.  If you accept it, you are a part of it.  You don’t accept it, you have to dismantle it.  So you being a Muslim you have to fix a target, there will be no House of Commons.  From that White House to this Black House, we know that we have to dismantle it
Muslims must grow in strength then take over
Dr Mian: You are in a situation in which you have to live like a state within a state, until you take over.  But until this happens, you have to preach, until you become such a force that the people they just submit to you, hands up, until you become strong enough to take over
It’s an extreme vision – that Muslims will one day take over Britain and bring about an Islamic state with sharia law
Dr Mian invites our reporter to visit Birmingham, where he’s based
Dr Mian: We can come to you, you can come to us
He takes him up on the offer and a few weeks later they meet in Birmingham
Dr Mian takes him to Sparkbrook Islamic Centre, where he wants to arrange a talk
The centre is run by the UK Islamic Mission -- a major organisation dedicated to interfaith work
This is their annual conference last year in Birmingham
It runs over 45 mosques and branches in Britain and has 6,000 children in its part-time Islamic schools
The Prime Minister has said the UKIM “is extremely valued by the government”, particularly for its “multi-faith and multicultural activities"
Caption: UKIM website
Yet despite his radical views, Dr Mian has worked with the UKIM and given talks at its events
At their annual conference, he was a guest on stage
Today, he’s making a presentation to the UKIM committee at the Sparkbrook Islamic Centre
He suggests that the committee invites a small group of non-Muslims to the mosque and tries to convert them
Dr Mian: Every kaffir has a right to Islam
He says Muslims cannot accept non-Muslim rule
Dr Mian: You cannot accept the rule of the kaffir.  We have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others
Although his radical beliefs are obvious, the UKIM committee is happy to go ahead with his talk
UKIM man: If we invite people, would you be available to speak to them?
Dr Mian: Of course, this is my full time duty
UKIM Man: We will organise it
The UKIM hosts regular interfaith events at this mosque
Yet when our reporter joined the worshippers at Sparkbrook for a Friday sermon – he heard the UKIM imam preaching against non-Muslims
Preacher: God, help us win the fight against the kuffaar, in every field, in every department of life.  We beg you to help us fight against the enemies of our religion.  Help us fight the kuffaar
The UKIM runs dawah, or missionary centres, which spread the word
Our reporter visits one of them, at Alum Rock Islamic Centre, in Birmingham, to see what kind of materials they circulate
Reporter: Is the dawah centre open upstairs?
Dawah man: Yes, what do you want?
Reporter: I’m looking for some books
Man: yes, yes
He’s given some free leaflets
Man: Yes this one.  If you start with these, these are easy to understand, for everybody who doesn’t know anything about Islam
They’re by a Pakistani religious leader called Sayyid Mawdudi
He was the founder of a fundamentalist political party in Pakistan called Jamaat-Islami
The UKIM literature outlines his radical message
Pamphlet: “Islam is a revolutionary ideology which seeks to alter the social order of the entire world”
Muslims form an “International Revolutionary Party”
The pamphlets contain some of the ideas that Dr Mian preaches ….. 
that Muslims must work towards doing away with all non-Islamic governments, and set up an Islamic state
The party Mawdudi founded, the Jamaat Islami, has links to the Saudi religious establishment
Although it stands in Pakistani elections, its aim is to set up an Islamic state run by shari’a law
Protesters: Long Live shari’a constitution!
The man who runs the missionary centre in Birmingham says the UKIM is an independent organisation, with its own objectives
… but he says they follow the same ideology as the Jamaat Islami
Man: ideologically we are affiliated to Jamaat Islami
Reporter: It’s the same ideology?
Man: Yeah you can say that, it’s the same ideology
He claims the UKIM shares the same ideology with other fundamentalist organisations, like Hamas in Palestine, and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt
Bookshop man: Some are in Pakistan, some are in Egypt, wherever they are their ideology is the same, so you can say our ideology is the same with them
Our reporter finds the UKIM accepts money from Saudi sheikhs
Every week at its Sparkbrook mosque, a list of donors is read out
Speaker: Saudi Arabian Professor Sheikh
Caption: August 2006
Our reporter attended a day of talks, arranged at the UKIM’s Sparkbrook mosque
When we contacted the UKIM, they said they had hired their centre out to another organisation, who arranged this event
In public, the UKIM has told Muslims they can participate in British democracy, and it invited politicians to its annual conference last summer in Birmingham
Rob Marris, Labour MP: I’m here as a friend of Islam and as a Labour politician
But in the day of talks in their mosque, invited preachers condemned democracy
Speaker: Today we find ourselves bearing the brunt of a pervasive attack against Islam, trying to win the hearts and minds of Muslims over to become advocates and supporters of a democratic system
Never will the Jews and Christians be happy with you until you follow their way, and their system and their way of life.  Call the people to avoid and renounce the way of the Jews and the Christians, which is the way of freedom, which is the way of equality, which is the way of democracy
The next speaker is introduced as the deputy headmaster of Darul Uloom Islamic High School, a single faith secondary school in Birmingham
The government has urged single faith schools to promote “tolerance … inclusion … and understanding between different sections of society”
Deputy head: They talk about integration, there is an overt as well as a covert plan, a programme, they talk about you need to integrate, if you don’t you are a freak, you’re strange, there’s something wrong with you, like if you have something against homosexuality, they’ve got a name to call you now, you’re a homophobic man there is something wrong with you, not with this gay – sorry homosexual.  Which part of this society are we supposed to take and adopt as our life, which one?
His criticism of Western society even extended to democracy itself
Deputy head: And they’ve got all these people, all these organisations talking about it, let’s be “democratic”.  And I disagree with using the word democracy.  They should call it according to the Islamic understanding of the word, which is kuffrocracy, kuffrocracy that’s their plan.  It’s the hidden, cancerous aim of these people

Darul Uloom School told us that the deputy headmaster had left the school after this speech was made and said his views and opinions did not represent those of the school
It said: “We` promote the view that students should integrate and become good and upright citizens of this country”
The UKIM works with the police and invited officers to its annual conference
Police officer: I take huge comfort from the really positive messages from the Muslim community
But in the event which they allowed at their Sparkbrook mosque, another invited speaker said Muslims can’t join the police
Speaker: Is it correct, is it viable, to join the police? How can you be implementing the laws of kufr? It means a rejection of the concept of democracy, rejecting the entirety of the system
He mentions a Muslim who joined the British Army and was killed fighting the Taliban last summer
Speaker: There was an individual who was killed in Afghanistan recently - what was his name? His name was a Muslim name you know what they’d written in a tabloid newspaper? Hero of Islam!
A hero of Islam who went into the Muslim Afghanistan to kill Muslims.  Why? Because they are implementing Islam
Then, he praises the Taliban fighters who killed him
The hero of Islam is the one who